The Heart of the Matter
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Erich's Ocean/Wave Metaphor Fear Erich on Krishnamurti Ego Yoga as Compost Spontaneous Movements Releasing Somatic Armoring Yoga Symposium.15.117
Erich Schiffmann (schiffmann, 10/21/98 1:00:03 AM)Yes. I consider the wave/ocean metaphor central to yoga philosophy. Mind you, I am not a yoga scholar. I'm not quoting anyone or representing anything, really. But, as far as yoga goes, the word means "joining" and "union." And I've always thought this was interesting because union and joining do not mean the same thing. I go into this a bit in the posted interview, but quickly... yoga is, foremost, a STATEMENT of union/oneness/God being All, and it is also the many various MEANS involved in arriving at that realization. The fact that such a word exists points to the phenomenon that people do tend to feel cut-off, separate and alone, discreet, and that at some point a breakthrough occurred where the veil was lifted and the biggerness was experienced.
The wave/ocean analogy points to the central theme in a very easy-to-grasp sort of way. It's about the wave waking up to the fact that it is not an independent, self-created entity, but is the entire ocean in specific expression. To my understanding, it's not any more complex than that. I use the word "ego" to denote the deluded wave, one that thinks it exists on its own, that it is somehow self-created or self-existent. And I use the word "Individuality" to denote the wave that has awakened to the fact that it is, really, the entire ocean being itself as that specific wave. The wave doesn't join with the ocean through yogic practices, but wakes up to the already-existing fact. The fundamental idea behind all the practices is not to change or modify who you are, but to let go of, not believe in anymore or erase (I guess you could say destroy) all the mistaken inaccurate self-conceptions SO THAT THE ALREADY-EXISTING REALITY CAN REGISTER WITH YOU. You don't change or become different, you become who you always were. And this is great! Because you don't really have to do anything to be what you already are. No time or process is required to sink into the experience. It's not lifetimes or ten thousand salutations or prostrations away. It's a thought away!
Now, with regard to desire... this is my take on it... and I wrestled with this concept for a long time, hearing that desire was bad, the cause of suffering etc. and so whenever there was even the smallest speck of desire arising I squelched it, thinking I was doing the right thing, and ended up getting ill, being mildly depressed, not motivated, and extremely low energy. All this in spite of tremendous spiritual interest.. or because of!
This is what I now think: Desire is not bad... right desire is essential... but from ground-level you can't know what you really want! and so whatever you desire from ground-level is likely to not be as satisfying as you'd like it to be. The trick is to let go of what you think you want... sink into the feeling of peace through meditation or a walk in the mountains... and see what comes up. When the wave sinks into itself and begins to feel the energy that constitutes its presence, inevitably it will begin to feel the creative life force, oomph, or throbbing very alive movement of the ocean as its movement. When you sink into the feeling-tone of peace it's not that nothing happens, instead you find yourself being inspired into action. I think this is what Krishnamurti meant, he wasn't personally orchestrating his fulfillment or role. He was being the place where the creative movement of life flowed through.. and it looked like him being a teaching presence.
From my understanding at the moment, the most intelligent desire is to want to know God's Will. This is the one desire that doesn't culminate in suffering. This is what you're doing when you ask for Guidance. When you ask for Guidance, your very desire is what gives permission for the Knowing to occur. The place to connect with it is in the stillness within. Your job will then be that of yielding to that movement in daily life, to flow with it (and this will be felt by you as your personal fulfillment) so that the wisdom and harmony of Infinite Mind can flow into obvious expression.
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To do is to be, to be is to do, do, be, do, be, do, be, do (earthworm, 10/22/98 8:24:34 AM)As I read post 117, I noticed that I was able to understand more clearly the words because I have met Erich.
This makes me think that the way I quest after my own spiritual longings has everything to do with kinesthetic intelligence. The words only take me so far. After meeting him I can put Erich's words into a larger context of experience.
Interesting, that by acknowledging the "meeting Erich experience" here and now, I notice that I can bring into the present, my experience of him two weeks ago, as it relates to the intention of his post. As I do this, I notice a growing awareness of my connection to the metaphorical ocean, so that even as I type this I am aware of an expanding sense of myself where my questions seem to dissolve and I simply Know. It makes time and space seem like nothing.
The words Erich uses are like tasty bait. I am attracted to them and find myself then struggling to make sense of them, but now I can see that the "sense" comes in the experience and not in the intellectual understanding of the words.
These are important lessons for me to groc. I have been struggling for a very long time with how to put myself out into the world of work in the context of the social and work paradigm in which we live. I feel the call to do something but when I go after that something, I find that I am repelled by the rules and reductionism of the system.
Seems like K. could just be and not categorize what he was doing, but my little mind wants to say that he had it easy bein' a man and all. Someone to sweep the dirt, cook the meals so that he could live in the clouds. But I know that this very characterization is also reduction of the truth. That is is how I keep myself small and stay in control of my little world.
Now I am wondering. Perhaps by hanging in the "Ocean of Knowing" while I go about my activities as a wave, I will find myself flow to the shore and out again with effortlessness. Just non-doing and doing. Enter guru children. I get so thrown off when my wee ones start their wild destructo activity because this illusion that is my house starts to look like an illusion of a dump!!! Which puts me back into my small mind and the ocean is forgotten again.
There is no trick. To learn to be a wave which is also an ocean seems hard until I am there and can feel my bigness and it is easy and beautiful and right and good, until I am not there then it seems so far away and inaccessible and I forget what it is to be there and sometimes forget about the ocean altogether. ARGHHHHH!!!!!!!
This wave needs to fold an ocean of laundry.
Peace, Gena
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Time for an asanaic inversion of reality (earthworm, 10/24/98 12:18:31 PM)fear is trying to head off a major paradigm shift but I'm flowing with Infinite Mind at the controls. Perhaps that Operation fear-ectomy will be completed soon. Breathing into the solar plexus and feeling the heat.
Namaste, Gena
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Erich Schiffmann (schiffmann, 10/26/98 4:01:53 PM)If I may.... remember, fear happens where the ego is the weakest, at the point where clarity can most easily flow in. The trick is to relax with the intensity, feel yourself being breathed, enjoy the warmth, and be curious about what's (already) unfolding. Don't project and don't protect. You are always bigger than whatever the fear is about. Expand, soften, embrace and savor the transformation.
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Bob Cox (crotalus, 10/26/98 5:09:36 PM)Yeah. Those of us who sometimes chase the edge of fear on our skis or motorcycles or climbing ropes know about this view. Yoga is slightly more forgiving (tell that to the back injury) I suppose, when "you come off."
Dr. Hofmann (yeah, that Hofmann, the one with the "problem child") speaks to this general theme in an interview with Charles Grob in the current MAPS Journal. He recommends we revisit Huxley's twelve lectures given in San Francisco in 1959, called The Human Situation. Hofmann's account of his occasional fearful moments during his second and close acquaintance with his most famous creation is also instructive and apparently completely consistent with Erich's advice.
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earthworm (earthworm, 10/26/98 6:13:16 PM)Yes you may. I didn't know "that fear happens where the ego is weakest, at the point where clarity can most easily flow in." I knew that it was my ego holding on, terrified of the ride but I hadn't made these other connections. They fit my experience, which has been mostly pleasant and I am feeling that this new paradigm may be okay. I feel as if these eyes are seeing with a changing lens and I like what I see. The pressure is off, taking one day at a time, success and failure are not issues anymore. I'll just let my life unfold. Another sarvangasana today and my spine untwisted, the shoulder changed a lot. In fact this is the least pain I've felt in a long time. I can feel my ego lurking wanting to grab on to some semblance of success. But I ask it to wait, just be for now. Oh, it is a hungry little bugger.
Thanks,
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Erich Schiffmann (schiffmann, 10/26/98 9:28:22 PM)Beautiful!
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Suzanne (YogaSuz, 11/4/98 6:31:45 AM)I just want to add something to Erich's comment about fear, as the subject came to my attention recently.
I assist my yoga instructor with a Level II class. In the most recent class, the students were attempting backbends for the first time. Everyone was moaning and complaining about the poses, which were completely new to them. Supta Virasana was their least favorite pose of the evening by far.
As it turns out, Supta Virasana is one of the favorite poses of my Level III class. Whenever we do it in class, everyone is eager to have another student stand on their legs and stretch them as deeply into the position as possible. It actually seemed odd to me to hear the complaints about the pose from these Level II's.
So, I learned that we shouldn't always resist new things simply because they are hard the first time. I do believe that we feel weak the first few times we attempt a new pose (or a new undertaking in our lives), because we want to be perfect right away. We don't want to struggle with the new thing.
It takes relaxation to allow yourself to be imperfect. Then, getting into the pose or entering into any new activity stops being a struggle and starts being an adventure.
I find it ironic that allowing ourselves to be imperfect moves us toward mastery of a subject. To me, once I feel that I am mastering a pose, I find that I am no longer focused on being perfect, but simply experiencing the nuances of the pose.
It seems that being a master of any area involves being relaxed about "mistakes" and feeling confident that they can be fixed. A master artist, for example, sometimes places paint in the wrong place but knows the tricks to correcting the error. A novice, however, will feel frustrated that the paint did not go exactly where she wanted it and will make a bigger mess, because she is moving out of frustration instead of confidence.
I feel that this understanding of the learning process is helping me to move more quickly out of the fear stage and into the improvement stage with my asanas...and my life. Yoga itself gave me the courage to go through Yoga teacher training and not fear the inevitable frustration of being a new teacher.
Namaste!
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Fear as a Friend? (suz coyote, 10/10/99 5:50:19 PM)
A little synchronicity surfacing here! I'm about a third of the way through Pema Chodron's book entitled, When Things Fall Apart, Heart Advice for Difficult Times. Chodron is an American Buddhist nun, who studied under Chogyam Trunga Rimpoche. The book is remarkable and the most clear text on the full impact of "being in the moment" that I have ever read.
The very first chapter in the book is "Intimacy with Fear." Chodron writes an in-depth analysis of how we react to fear by abdicating the present moment. She says that to be in the moment is to be afraid, to be groundless. "In the moment" means we aren't trying to control what comes next and it's the "not knowing" what is next that is frightening. The primary cause of addictive behavior, she says, is to enable us to avoid feeling fear, hence we check out of the present moment.
"Fear is a universal experience. Even the smallest insect feels it. We wade in the tidal pools and put our finger near the soft, open bodies of sea anemones and they close up. Everything spontaneously does that. It's not a terrible thing that we feel fear when faced with the unknown. It is part of being alive, something we all share... If we commit ourselves to staying right where we are, then our experiences becomes very vivid. Things become very clear when there is nowhere to escape."
Chodron asserts that we must get to know fear, become familiar with because it undoes our habitual ways of sensing the world and deconstructs our carefully created self-image. And, she goes on to say that when we really do this, "we're going to be continually humbled. There's not going to be much room for the arrogance that holding on to ideals can bring. The arrogance that inevitably does arise is going to be continually shot down by our own courage to step forward a little further."
If we combine that humbling with gentle kindness towards ourselves, says Chodron, we develop compassion, because we recognize that we are no better (or worse) than the person down the street who is trying to avoid fear - we all do it in our own habitual patterns.
"So the next time you encounter fear, consider yourself lucky. This is where the courage comes in. Usually we think that brave people have no fear. The truth is that they are intimate with fear."
Accepting and getting to know fear, teaches Chodron, is how you "let life nail you to the present moment."
Namaste,
SuZYoga Symposium.15.112
Erich Schiffmann (schiffmann, 10/19/98 10:04:23 PM)I had a terrific time at the Yoga Journal Conference. It was fun meeting you, Gena, and many many others. I thought it was a very successful event, well-done and meaningful.
I talk about the "traffic helicopter" a lot, and the fact that it makes "ground-level sense" to cast your attention beyond your best reasoning and choose to, instead, ask for and listen to Guidance. The analogy has given me the courage to muster up the willingness to do what hasn't always made sense to the me here at ground-level. This is the same as yielding to the Flow, or requesting "Thy Will be done." But what one finds when one merges, when one softens and listens and dares to do as ones deepest feelings prompt you to do, is not the disappearance of self, but rather the expansion! And here I'm mixing metaphors, hope that's okay, works for me... when the wave relaxes into itself and feels the depths of the ocean being the truest thing about what it is, it doesn't disappear, and its sense of self doesn't disappear. It expands, it gets bigger. Its sense of self enlarges! It now disidentifies with "wave only," a mis-identification or inaccurate sense of self, and therefore loses its sense of smallness because it is now experiencing itself as ocean also. It doesn't stop being the wave, though, because all along the ocean has been being itself as waves! The only thing that changes is the misidentification... and that changes everything. What gets released is the misidentification... and what's left is the real Identity, that which you have been all along. And at that point you're not yielding... there's no small sense of self to do the yielding... There's only the Flow being Itself as everything that is, you being yourself with less and less inhibition. I like talking about yielding, though, because it takes small mind out of the drivers seat... or, maybe better, it makes it clear that small mind/ego/ground-level view is aware of its limitations and is voluntarily reaching beyond its current operating parameters. It makes ground-level sense to yield to the aerial view. There's no overcoming the ego, there's only its natural dissolution in the obviousness of its nothingness!
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Bob Cox (crotalus, 10/20/98 9:19:28 AM)All this sent me scurrying for Laura Huxley's This Timeless Moment to recover the words of her husband Aldous. Imagine my chagrin when I discovered my conditioning had blotted out the Christian connection. The words were a fav of Aldous and actually were written by his grandfather T. H. Huxley:
"Science seems to me to teach, in the highest and strongest manner, the great truth which is embodied in the Christian concept of the entire surrender to the will of God. Sit down before the fact like a little child, and be prepared to give up every preconceived notion, follow humbly wherever and to whatever abysses Nature leads or you shall learn nothing. I have only begun to learn content and peace of mind since I have resolved at all risks to do this."
Laura is also persuasive along these lines in her response in an interview with Bruce Eisner (founder of the Island Group and author of a useful book on the [Schedule I] heart opening drug, MDMA):
B. E.: What are some of the most fundamental recipes for living that you have learned during your life? Could you pass some of those along to our readers?
L.H.: Among those recipes, I learned that one always should acknowledge the ego, because it is real, and yet one should not take it too seriously.
B. E.: You should acknowledge it but not take it seriously?
L. H.: Not try to eliminate it - kill the ego as they say - it just gives it more strength. But instead, know that it is there, it is part of us, but by far, not all of us - we are immense, we are a universe. Our ego is a little star, even an important, lovely, little star, but it is not all of us.
There are certain basic principles:
1) Respect your body
2) Focus your mind
3) Love your heart and cooperate with anyone who wishes to do the same.Aldous weighed in with:
"Our business is to wake up. We have to find ways in which to detect the whole of reality in the one illusory part which our self-centered consciousness permits us to see."
See Yoga Symposium.5.63 for an excerpt from This Timeless Moment about Laura's encounter with Krishnamurti.
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Gena Berglund (earthworm, 6/26/98 8:53:00 AM)Thanks for the tips, "crotalus" Bob. FYI, Hadn't thought much about the ankle level view, but it fits how I like to keep my physical world smallish, not too expansive. I enjoy heat and moisture/humidity, like a sauna or the wet earth in summer. (My husband thinks I'm crazy.)
Gardening is like coming home. I love the idea of earthworms as miniature plows, the low-till plan. And composting? When I gave up my yoga practice for a while back in '88-'91 I started composting, for real and metaphorically. To come back to yoga for me was to accept that yoga was like compost. Previously I treated yoga exclusively as a prescription, a tool, a means to an end. What I brought to yoga is what it gave back to me, like a mirror, only more vivid, almost blinding; it was then that I learned about freedom of choice. And yet, to totally contradict myself...yoga also ...is like a bridge into my Self and when I cross that bridge, the experience is big, tasty, sorta' "infinite" and familiar but still like none other in my life. And yet the first step across that bridge is still filled with trepidation.
Today I plan to read Erich's "Listening for Guidance" chapter...that is where I am being called. I haven't read the first 11 chapters but I suppose Infinite Mind isn't a linear process?
With Gratitude for the Bridge Builders,
Gena
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Yogamama (Yogamama, 1/2/99 3:52:37 PM)What you have all written about your experiences with yoga has been really inspiring and heartfelt. I'd like to share my experiences with you all also. When I first did a few yoga stretches with a friend 5 years ago, I felt relaxed right away, as though I had set down a heavy burden. When I started going to vigorous classes I was so charged up after class sometimes, I'd be walking on air. Never a dancer, suddenly I was dancing around the house high kicking and spinning.
From there I have gone through a process of opening. As my body opened up with a dedicated practice, I was able to control my thoughts more. I learned the connection between what I thought, how I felt and how my body responded. I used to be more lethargic, now I have an energized feeling most of the time, a general feeling of well being.
Brought up as an atheist, I felt a connection with the world around me but didn't have a philosophy to go with it. Yoga philosophy has helped me find meaningful connection with others and my purpose here. I accept the temporary nature of this existence and I am not afraid of living and loving and crossing the street. The only sure thing is that we will all die so I enjoy each day and each moment with my loved ones as best I can. I try not to cling to that which is most precious to me, but to love things and people without condition.
All this from a few stretches? I could go on and on but let it be enough to say that doing yoga and teaching yoga have given my life a sense of purpose that helps me get through the bad times and fill my life with joy during the good times.
The only draw back has been some sore tendons above the knees that come and go. Have a wonderful New Year and may yoga fill your life with joy also!
Namaste, Alix
following posts are from the Asana Topic
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question (dorixenos, 12/10/99 3:11:35 PM)
Would you permit me to ask a question off the subject of asanas? I have learned so much from your discussions and have appreciated the serious and open-hearted ambiance of this forum. Therefore I ask you: In meditation, or what passes for it -- sitting, balanced and still -- has anyone found him/herself going beyond the subtle rocking caused by the heart into a real back-and-forth motion? Today this happened to me right off the bat, before asanas, and I was not rocking but being rocked. I had to re-release my neck and then my whole upper body in order to go along with it as the motion became more and more extreme, like I was cantering on a horse. It lasted for about five minutes, I think. I would like to believe this was the answer to a fervent prayer or wish I made last night to be "shaken up" -- to be jolted off a wrong creative track and to become vulnerable to a new idea or way of thinking (I am a writer).And even while this rocking was going on, I was trying greedily to figure what I could get out of the experience, spiritually. Yet I wonder if in fact I just need an EKG. (There was no panic, pain or breathlessness.) I've had some strange and delightful physical reactions to sitting quietly but this is the most bizarre. By the way, Iım a beginner (one year), desperately middle-aged, with no teacher but Erichıs book.
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kevin wood (sahaj, 12/10/99 6:27:42 PM)I have experiences some pulsing of the prana during meditation, or shavasana usually. The more I stay with it with subtle awareness it seems to augment. If I try to chase it, it disappears, and if I am not aware enough, it also disappears. This applies to all pranic movement that I experience during a motionless body position. Usually it feel good, like a liberation of some block, which I think it is.
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kevin wood (sahaj, 12/10/99 6:30:33 PM)I just remembered that one time the movement became so strong that it threw me around the room. And it was centered at the heart. Afterwards I felt like a completely new person. Somewhere I have posted this experience before but I don't remember where.
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Spontaneous Movements (Shakti Das, 12/10/99 6:58:07 PM)Hi Dori; Yes, it happens to many of us. Some people get afraid of it because they feel that they (the ego) are losing control; but it is a well documented phenom in many schools of yoga. Especially in what is called siddha, kundalini, and sahaj yoga, this signals at least a purification and opening and perhaps also an activation -- all of which is associated (in these schools) with the awakening of your dormant creative/evolutionary powers (called kundalini). I too welcome it to move me! Kevin, watch it or you might rise up in the air and damage the ceiling!
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thank you! (dorixenos, 12/11/99 3:16:29 AM)Thank you, good people, for the reassurance. There are so many levels and barriers to penetrate before one can thoroughly. . . experience the experience. Isn't it wonderful that the spirit will literally move you even if you are not ready to receive it. Like a preview of coming attractions. Blessings.
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Erich Schiffmann (schiffmann, 3/15/99 11:49:23 AM)
Yes, Krishnamurti was a very big influence on me. I was a student at his high school in England when I was a teenager. I feel very fortunate to have been around him as much I was. Seeing someone live the truth at such a high level is transformational. I began to believe—because I was witnessing the living proof—that enlightened or sane living was possible. Hope not only came alive within me again, but it became obvious that optimism is the natural attitude one finds oneself having as one becomes increasingly clear and realistic.
The prevailing attitude (in my mind, anyway) used to be that reality is a bummer, that if you were truly
realistic you would be so aware of how depressing life is you’d just go into a big slump. But that isn’t what I found. That IS what I used to think, and I am familiar with the feeling-tone of that perspective—with what it feels like when that is what you believe. But the more I looked into it, and the more I realized and acknowledged that I really didn’t know what Reality was/is, and therefore should stop thinking I did, as well as stop believing in all the projections and possible realities that could manifest as a logical outcome of living based on those misconceptions—and, instead, get into the thought-free experience of it as much as possible in order to have a clear experience...so that my new “conclusions” about Reality were grounded in Fact... the more my perceptions changed. The same old world started looking different, not so scary for one thing.
When thinking slows down, you do not cease to exist. You’re still conscious and aware, but now you are clear—no longer imposing limited conceptions on something as vast as the Unlimited(!)—and what you find yourself being aware of is Reality as it is... which, fortunately, is very different from the conclusions about Reality arrived at based on data from the five physical senses only. This is very much in keeping with K’s teaching, I believe, not that it matters.Yoga Symposium.15.241
My Fav Quote of K (tympanachus cupido, 3/20/99 8:59:28 AM)
"I do not want to belong to any organisation of a spiritual kind; please understand this.... If an
organisation be created for this purpose, it becomes a crutch, a weakness, a bondage, and must cripple the individual, and prevent him from growing, from establishing his uniqueness,which lies in the discovery for himself of that absolute, unconditioned Truth."
- Krishnamurti (follow link for full text)
Here's some writing of Kramer and Alstad from their, The Guru Papers: Masks of Authoritarian Power, you might enjoy (as well as their yoga and relationship articles indexed there).Yoga Symposium.15.34
SuZett Estell (SuZie Coyote, 7/30/98 4:35:14 PM)Hello, All
Thanks for the feedback Paul. I have been really pushing myself since I came back from the intensive with Erich. I don't feel that I've damaged anything. I just feel like I've been working out hard (as if pumping weights). As Bob tells me, "It's always a matter of balance."
I've not done much massage lately (I'm a certified Neuromuscular Massage Therapist (NMT)) due to chronic shoulder and hip pain. It's been an interesting journey. I got certified about five years ago and had kept up a moderate part-time practice (as well as teaching NMT), but began to have physical problems with it last year. In retrospect the pain came on gradually over months. But you know how it is..its easy to shut out pain until it becomes insistent enough to get attention.
What I believed happened, was that I had a lot of blocked energy areas and postural imbalances in my body going into the massage work. My massage school did next to nothing to prepare us for the physical demands of massage, other than saying, "It's physically demanding. Take care of yourselves." Since the type of massage I was doing was very aggressive and physical, my postural imbalances eventually escalated into areas of chronic pain. After five years, I burned out. I feel the yoga is doing a lot to help me correct the deeper problems that caused the burn-out. I have decided to take a year off of massage to allow the yoga to correct my posture before going back into the fray.
Lack of flexibility in my hips and sacrum are the key factor (they are with most people, in my experience). I came from a family that believed strongly in the "spare the rod (in this case strap) and spoil the child" philosophy. My experience with massage shows that most people who have been beaten as children (I don't call it spanking, because it is not) have the same sorts of difficulty.
The inevitable result of child-beating is rigid bodies, especially in the hip and low back areas. I've seen and dealt with this issue both personally and with scores of clients. I used to believe that massage was the answer. Massage does work out a lot of problems, but problems (or related ones) eventually come back until the inner work is accomplished. Massage helps a person become aware of his or her body, but yoga is teaching me that the healing must be internalized to be effective in the long term. This is primarily because the wounds are more than physical - they are both emotional and spiritual. Massage combined with a regular yoga practice seems to carry real promise.
So, I'm a woman with a mission. I want to to regain the physical symmetry they I may not have had since I was two years old! Then, I want to incorporate what I've learned into developing a massage school curriculum that emphasizes personal self-care for the therapist as much as care for the client.
Namaste:
SuZThe words here belong to the writers - please provide attribution if quoted on other web sites or in other media. These excerpts have been selected and edited for clarity by the editor. --R. Cox
